
Plugin/fuel cell vehicle to grid backup for solar, wind, and water power.
by
amazngdrx
on Fri 22 Dec 2006 01:26 AM CST
This makes regular power plants unecessary and obsolete, solving the intermittency problem with wind, water, and solar power.
http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2006/12/westinghouse_wi.html#comment-26871562
But are biogas resources too small to backup wind, solar, and water power? yep, most likely they are, but not because digestion loses energy. Manure and farm waste alone would supply a large percentage of backup biogas. Especially when the biogas is used at 75% efficiency.
Where does the rest of the biofuel come from so that natural gas is conserved as long as possible?
From algae in solar collectors. Half of the dry weight of the algae is biodiesel, the other half is cellulose powder. The biodiesel could power the fuel cell vehicles in driving mode, the powdered cellulose, biogas (with natural gas as a backup fuel) in stationery V2G mode.
In v2G the CO2 could be sequestered in the algae system.
The energy lost in bacterial conversion of coal and oil to natural gas would be less than the energy expended in conventional mining and refining. and all that toxic mess that comes with coal and oil would stay far underground where it is already. The natural gas would carry the energy in the coal and oil to the fuel cells.
Yep nukes are all TOO real Dem! Too bad for all of us.
Fuel cost? Biogas in a fuel cell/turbine is around 5 cents per kwh, powdered cellulose from algae is even cheaper. Biodiesel from algae will be cheaper than diesel or biodiesel from fuel farming.
In plugin/fuel cell cars that use 1/10nth of the fuel on average of an equivalent ICE car, biodiesel from algae can provide more than enough liquid fuel for transportation needs.
Manure and waste to biogas. Biogas to electricity and cO2. CO2 to algae biofuel. Biofuel to electricity and cO2. CO2 back to biofuel. It's a cycle.
While it is true that if the grid is mainly powered by solar, wind, and wave power the whole capacity of the grid may need to ocasionally come from a backup source. V2G does that with no duplication of generating capacity.
A big argument with renewables is that if you aproach 100% renewable power on the grid, you also need storage and generation capacity that equals that capacity. in other words you would need all the present power plants idling in case the wind, water, and solar power dissapears all at once all over the grid. And that cost of maintaining those plants in that idling state would negate all the savings from renewables.
By using v2G to supply this emergency backup generation that duplication of generating capacity does not take double the capital investment. Because the vehicles are already payed for by consumers for their transportation function. The V2G mode is a free bonus.
Trillions can also be saved by going to this distributed power generation and storage grid design, because it not only dispenses with power plants, but makes hugely expensive grid upgrades unecessary.
Each home with v2G becomes a neighborhood power system that can power that local grid. And it builds out in blocks from there. Also protecting from ever more frequent power outages due to increased storms from global climate change.
The profit potential of a home, small business, or farm that uses biogas digestors, V2G, wind, and solar power all together is enormous. It allows an individual V2G/renewable supplier or local renewable energy cooperative to guarantee a set minimum amount of power to the grid, making renewables just as reliable as advocates claim fossil and nuclear power are.
"the only way to achieve that is gradual moving back to agricultural society, which allows overall rate of photosynthesis to be higher than natural emmision of CO2."
There is another way.
How can the greenhouse effect be reversed back to pre-industrial levels?
Right now conservation reserve land in the US absorbs 1/3 of our CO2 emmisions. Expand that effect with new conservation land, like a Prairie National Park encompassing 1000s of square miles of northern prairie that doubles as a site for 1000s of very large scale 1000 foot wind generators.
That could absorb 2/3rds of present cO2 production. Then cut CO2 with plugin hybrids that use 1/10nth of the fuel we now use. Use distributewd renewable energy generation and storage to replace fossil and nuclear power plants.
Global climate disaster is reversible in a 20 year time span if thease steps are taken to actually reduce the amont of greenhouse gases.
Turning fertilizer and manure and other waste runnoff into biogas that is used in fuel cell/turbine power plants would eliminate a huge amount of methane, 20 times worse as a GHG, from the ecosystem. This extra nitrogen runnoff acting on lake and river sediment is releasing this methane now, with a huge greenhouse gas effect.
Then the cO2 from the fuel cell power plant is used to grow algae in solar collectors to produce biodiesel that runs in fuel cell backup generators in electric cars and powdered cellulose that runs in the fuel cell power plant.
And here's another huge effect that has so far gone unrecognized. Each vehicle containing a fuel cell/microturbine backup generator of around 20 kw can supply power for 30 homes when it is plugged into the grid and into a natural gas or biogas source.
100s of millions of these cars would solve the problem of storage AND backup generation for variable renewable energy sources like wind, wave, and solar power. A gas line could plug into your car at home or work, then another line could take the cO2 emmited back to a solar collector algae system for sequestration.
100 million cars x 20 kw generating capacity per car= 2 million mw of generating capacity. Present generating capacity in the uS is around 600,000 mw. So even 100 million of these cars could generate over three times the present electric power we now use. At 3 to 5 time present efficiency levels.
At the same time this plan would eliminate over 80% of present cO2 emmisions plus a yet to be calculated huge amount of methane emmissuons due to nitrogen runnoff from waste.
This along with the increase in conservation land could reverse global climate disaster within 20 years. The other alternative, the status quo, will stop the Gulf Stream conveyor and plunge the uS and europe into an ice age. If WW3 over oil with terrorists using nuclear weapons doesn't get us first.
A distinct possibility given nuclear proliferation combined with petrodollars that support terrorism.