amazngdrx :: Did the good ole (new) boy's club beat Hillary? Bill and Vinod together on ethanol bidness.

It turns out Bill was in bed with big ethanol interests, brokering deals for an ethanol startup of Vinod Khosla that Branson and others bought into. Bill got fees for brokering these deals. Hillary opposed corn ethanol at times, but worked for Vinod's dream of cellulosic ethanol in upstate New York. This hampered her ability to take a new energy policy direction. Clinton family ethanol investments.

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/2/27/11100/2987/#comment9

The Vinod Khosla presentation here (on gristmill) certainly was timely, because of something not widely reported.

Bill Clinton has been in on the ethanol bidness, with Khosla, Branson, and big investment firms, just like the bush family is in on the oil bidness. Barack is a minor player, only in respect to his corn ethanol state representation.

And they are ALL touting cellulosic ethanol as the new green direction, corn ethanol having failed the GHG test now officially.

It is truly hard to believe that Romm is touting cellulosic ethanol here too now. Since the same studies that claimed corn ethanol doubled GHG, claims that cellulosic ethanol increaes GHG by 50% over simply burning oil based fuel.

DR is clearly now in the cellulosic camp, but that is no surprise. His technical knowledge is obviously extremely limited. And his support for Barack seemingly trumps all other considerations lately.

When bio-d gave in on it, and said give cellulosic a chance? That's it, this publication has changed it's opinion on ethanol too. The distinction between corn, sugar cane, and cellulosic makes no sense from a GHG increase perspective. All forms of fuel farming are a GHG disaster.

Completely disregarding the science recently revealed, but long suspected. As Romm says "...(it)was not considered a "good answer to global warming" by any energy or climate expert I have ever met."

This is a very bad sign, this publication was the last hold out on endorsing fuel farming. I am also seeing zero support for organic ag and biodigestion as a source for organic fertilzer.

Evidently organic ag is just too far out for the engineering or think tank mindset. In fairness they do let others talk about it in vague terms.

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(new) boy's club bidness.

by Anonymous on Sat 01 Mar 2008 10:54 PM CST | Permanent Link

It's interesting to see that this blogger has watched investors and ethanol industry so well concerning the buzzword "ligno-cellulosic" yet he doesn't even really have a clue technologically about the inefficiencies of fermentation via ligno-cell. All the guys with their new batch of bugs now - calling investors into something which isn't corn ethanol, huh? Nor would he interpret the next generation coming forward which isn't ligno-cell - yet it is still couching itself under this label for DOE grants. Some supreme wool is being pulled over the public's eyes and they don't know - neither does the DR who admits he's in the ligno-cell camp these daze.

Your Daddy's Gasifier

Re: (new) boy's club bidness.

by amazngdrx on Sun 02 Mar 2008 10:33 AM CST | Profile | Permanent Link

http://biostock.blogspot.com/2007/02/wood-beats-corn-stover-in-us-cellulosic.html

This blog article was from over a year ago, when the Georgia drought was not quite so advanced. How has Vinod's dream progressed in the last year?

I see that this scheme uses gasification. Does it use wood combustion for heat energy to make ethanol? GHG from cellulosic was predicted to be 50% greater than gasoline. This process, fueled by wood combustion, has to be even more than double the GHG.

And what about water use? pretty convenient that it uses "proprietray" (secret) technology. that way the environmental impact can be cloaked until it's too late and all the permitting has been completed.

Heat and pressure, with or without acid or catalysts, or gasification..it is all too GHG intensive and water ntensive and pollution intensive.

By keeping it all vague Vinod's minions are trying to keep it all politically correct so bill can sell it to subsidizers in congress.

And it looks like nearly everyone at Grist is being taken in by these tactics. Brack's energy position depends upon it. coopted by political considerations, the people who formerly boosted plugin hybrids over fuel farming and flex fuel vehicles.

It's going to be an uphill battle as usual, more uphill than before this newest propaganda started up.

I think only actual demonstration of plugin hybrid hypercars plugged into home solar, wind, and biogas power systems will catch mass media and public attention.

Re: Re: (new) boy's club bidness.

by Anonymous on Sun 02 Mar 2008 10:15 PM CST | Permanent Link

I would sure like to see evidence of deals Bill Clinton has inked with Vinod or Sir Richard. I could show Sir Richard how to make Ethanol far easier than Ethanol from corn.

I would also like to see proof of any man made increase in earth warming via GHG of any sort, since The Sun is King.

Here are the facts that obliterate the current myth of the day:

The total amount of energy consumed by humanity as of 1982 amounts to less than 1/500.000 th. of one percent of our daily energy income from the Sun.
-R. Buckminster Fuller

In light of the above fact, Do You Seriously consider yourself as a candidate that is knowledgeable enough to promote man as the cause of global warming?

http://roberto-de-sonora.blogspot.com/2008_01_01_archive.html

Re: Re: Re: (new) boy's club bidness.

by amazngdrx on Mon 03 Mar 2008 11:38 AM CST | Profile | Permanent Link

Nope, seriously. Hehehey. A dimbuld limboob troll GHG climate denier? Endangered species with it's own blog? What's next? A McCain/Limbaugh ticket?

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